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Florida Valentines Day Shooting

I said raise the taxes. Or an alternate proposal, stop paying the "mall cops" that are in schools now and replace them with armed security.

If people aren't willing to spend $$ to fix this problem, then let the kids die.

Eventually they will pony up.

We as a society need to be willing to cut stupid programs that tax payer dollars go to and put the towards sensible programs like protecting our kids.

That's the issue. The taxes are already being raised and cuts still have to be made and that considers that school doesn't have mall cops for security. There is no wasted money there. People already don't like investing in schools and this would be another expense that districts would struggle to afford unless there are federal or state dollars paying for it because there is no chance local money can afford this.
 
At every school in our area you have to be buzzed in the main entrance to get in. It is the only way in, and all other entrances are locked. Seems like a good start. Then arm a few teachers who are trained, willing to be trained.
 
That's the issue. The taxes are already being raised and cuts still have to be made and that considers that school doesn't have mall cops for security. There is no wasted money there. People already don't like investing in schools and this would be another expense that districts would struggle to afford unless there are federal or state dollars paying for it because there is no chance local money can afford this.

OK you seem to be of the mindset that this simply isn't an option and nothing I say will change you mind. You're gonna keep coming back with can't as a response. Yet our Governments at the State and Local and Federal levels find ways daily to raise taxes and fund ridiculous programs.

The money CAN come from the State and Federal Government. Frankly I think it should. I would have no problem with Big Daddy Government mandating that all schools have at least one armed guard and fund it federally.

Look at these Federal programs funded by taxpayer dollars:

1. “Spaceport to Nowhere.” The Missile Defense Agency continues to fund a rocket launch site in Alaska that could cost the organization up to $80.4 million. The facility is 20 years old, “rarely used,” and was established with an $18 million earmark. “The millions spent to date on this launch complex have not made America safer from potential missile attacks from foreign adversaries,” the report states. “To the contrary, it has siphoned away tens of millions of dollars that could have been better spent on more promising initiatives.”

2. Fishes on a Treadmill. How long can a mudskipper use a treadmill? The University of California-San Diego’s Scripps Institution of Oceanography is using grant money from the National Science Foundation to answer just that. The study found that mudskippers “can exercise longer and recover quicker under higher oxygen concentrations.” The grant also is slated to be used “to purchase what one of the researchers jokingly refers to as ‘all the toys’ as well as travel costs for junkets to conferences.”

3. Holograms at a Comedy Museum. The National Comedy Center, a nonprofit in New York, received a $1.7 million grant from the Department of Commerce’s Economic Development Administration to create a comedy museum. The museum will feature holograms of dead comedians. A New York state lawmaker has promised to bring an additional $3 million in federal funding. “I’m not kidding you,” Flake said at Heritage. “It’s a comedy club that, unfortunately, gets your tax dollars.”

4. Partying College Students. Part of a $5 million grant from a section of the National Institutes of Health paid for a researcher at Brown University to study the partying habits of college students. Some findings: “Greek members engaged in more risky health behaviors … than non-Greek members,” and college students tend to increase their intake of alcohol on game days. “According to the researchers,” Flake said, “all the games had the same goal—causing the participants to become intoxicated. I think that falls into the obvious category.”

5. Do Boys or Girls Play More With Dolls? A study executed by Vanderbilt University with money from the National Eye Institute and National Science Foundation examined “whether boys or girls spend more time playing with Barbie dolls.” The report surveyed about 300 men and women and cost over $300,000. The study also found, in the words of Flake’s report, that “women were much better at identifying the correct Barbies while the men were more likely to recognize the Transformers.”

6. Singing Dinosaurs. A study conducted with partial funding from $450,000 in grants from the National Science Foundation examined whether dinosaurs were able to sing. The two-year study examined, in part, whether dinosaurs ever possessed a syrinx. The lead author said the study was “another important step to figuring out what dinosaurs sounded like.”

7. Binge-Watching Computers. Can computers learn human behavior by binge-watching TV shows such as “The Office” and “Desperate Housewives?” The study was funded in part by the Department of Defense’s Office of Naval Research and the National Science Foundation, which helped researchers study how TV shows “train computers to understand and predict human behavior.” Flake said he sees this research as nonsensical. “Spending nearly a half a billion dollars to … turn computers into couch potatoes doesn’t compute for me,” he said.

I live in Maryland. The prior Democratic Governor pushed and got passed a new bill to tax us, the residents, on RAIN. I am taxed on RAIN.

Cut these stupid pork programs an re-allocate the money to providing armed security to our schools.

Don't tell me it can't be done. It absolutely can be done.

The problem is political. The Government doesn't want to make a common sense decision that will fix this problem by putting armed guards in the schools. They want to go after guns. So don't expect this to happen.

We will continue to hear excuses like those you've put forward as reasons why we can't fix the problem but instead there will continue to be a march towards gun confiscation.
 
OK you seem to be of the mindset that this simply isn't an option and nothing I say will change you mind. You're gonna keep coming back with can't as a response. Yet our Governments at the State and Local and Federal levels find ways daily to raise taxes and fund ridiculous programs.

I think we were in different area codes when it came to school funding. I was under the impression that you were considering local funding as the means of paying for security, because that is how it would be done by now. That's why I said there was zero chance that local funding would be able to support this, unless you're cutting teachers or administration or limiting busing. Clearly if things like this are federally funded it's a different story.

By the way, you could have just said federal funding without the list. We all know the waste that goes on there. ;)
 
I still don't think any politician wants to fix this. We all know Democrats want certain guns banned toward an end of all out confiscation. But none of them will come right out and say it. Why? What are they afraid of? They know it is a losing position. I still contend that neither side wants to fix the issue because it raises too much money and polarizes voters.

It's why they keep calling for "action". They keep blaming Trump like this all started the day he got elected. Fact is, there has been no leadership on this at any level. Where are members of congress proposing bills to make a difference. Their faux outrage is a joke.
 
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You have got to be one of the biggest dumb ***** on the board. Re-read what I posted. I have no hand guns = they kill people. So I don't own them. I have hunting rifles and shotguns - for hunting.

I don't even have the guns for self defense. I live in a 3 story home. Bedrooms on floor 3. The gun locker is in the basement. Locked up with three locks, two of which take a key that I keep hidden and no one knows where it is. The third lock is a combination lock. There is no getting into that gun locker quickly on purpose and it is not located where I sleep....on purpose.

Good Lord lol.

Here is the real truth of America. A thousand black guys play football with millions of white guys wishing they could play. A hundred or so latinos and black guys prize fight with millions of white guys watching, thinking they might have the balls to do that. Then their are thousands of speciel forces laying their lives on the lines for millions. Many white people. Your problem is that you are all talk. All technology. I need a gun to protect me from the boogey man. And now there are millions and millions of guns in the hands of people who shouldnt have. Grow a pair. Possers.
 
I think we were in different area codes when it came to school funding. I was under the impression that you were considering local funding as the means of paying for security, because that is how it would be done by now. That's why I said there was zero chance that local funding would be able to support this, unless you're cutting teachers or administration or limiting busing. Clearly if things like this are federally funded it's a different story.

By the way, you could have just said federal funding without the list. We all know the waste that goes on there. ;)

No, I never said where the funding would come from initially.

Schools get their money from all three levels, though 93% does come from State and Local funding. States can absolutely pay for an armed guard. If not, use a Federal program to do it.

Here's just a swag. California has 7,493 Elementary, Middle and High Schools. Figure it would cost each school $120,000 to have a full time armed guard (this includes their benefits). A quick Google Search shows the average police officer salary is around $62,000. Double that to include benefits.

That's about $900Million you would need to put an armed guard in every school in California. Seems like a lot, I know.

Another quick Google Search shows:
California raised $8.5Billion in corporate taxes in 2013-2014
They collected $22.2Billion in Sales and Use taxes
And $66.2Billion in Personal Income Taxes

In total in 2013-2014 California collected $101.6Billion

900Million divided by $101.6Billion = 0.088

It would take a small % of the state collected funds to put an armed guard in every school.

The Federal Government spent $107.6Billion on education in 2016.

The money is there, especially if pork programs are ratted out and stopped, to pay for armed guards.
 
Here is the real truth of America. A thousand black guys play football with millions of white guys wishing they could play. A hundred or so latinos and black guys prize fight with millions of white guys watching, thinking they might have the balls to do that. Then their are thousands of speciel forces laying their lives on the lines for millions. Many white people. Your problem is that you are all talk. All technology. I need a gun to protect me from the boogey man. And now there are millions and millions of guns in the hands of people who shouldnt have. Grow a pair. Possers.

OMG LOL. Throw another one back Sask. You're on a friggin roll tonight.
 
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Here is the real truth of America. A thousand black guys play football with millions of white guys wishing they could play. A hundred or so latinos and black guys prize fight with millions of white guys watching, thinking they might have the balls to do that. Then their are thousands of speciel forces laying their lives on the lines for millions. Many white people. Your problem is that you are all talk. All technology. I need a gun to protect me from the boogey man. And now there are millions and millions of guns in the hands of people who shouldnt have. Grow a pair. Possers.

Possers?
I thought in Canada it was hosers?

Posers?
 
Some schools are pretty large. Having 1 trained guard may not help. Plus must school shooters are pretty calculated they would learn the guards routine and take him out first or start at the farthest point away. Not saying a guard is a bad idea, just not sure how effective it would be.
 
Some schools are pretty large. Having 1 trained guard may not help. Plus must school shooters are pretty calculated they would learn the guards routine and take him out first or start at the farthest point away. Not saying a guard is a bad idea, just not sure how effective it would be.

I think multiple trained guards. It comes down on funding through taxes really.
 
Some schools are pretty large. Having 1 trained guard may not help. Plus must school shooters are pretty calculated they would learn the guards routine and take him out first or start at the farthest point away. Not saying a guard is a bad idea, just not sure how effective it would be.

I've been to a courthouse recently. One way in, like so many schools are now. Locked doors and you have to be buzzed in. Same with a courthouse. The guards are at the door. You limit entry and exit points and now one or two trained armed guards are super highly effective.
 
I've harped on this before. Sad that it's not getting MSM coverage, because I'm convinced this is the problem, or a serious large part of the problem. School shootings really became a problem in the late 1990s. Columbine was in 1999.

The first recorded use of a firearm was in 1364. 654 years ago. Automatic weapons came about in 1892 - 126 years ago. Yet school shootings are a 20 year recent phenomenon. Coincidentally the phenomenon of physicians over-prescribing psychotropic drugs is about 20 years old.


Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.

The following is a list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions.

  • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
  • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
  • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
  • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
  • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
  • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
  • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
  • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
  • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
  • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
  • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
  • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
  • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
  • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
  • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
  • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
  • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
  • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
  • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
  • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
  • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
  • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
  • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
  • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
  • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
  • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
  • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
  • (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)
  • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.
  • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
  • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
  • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
  • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
  • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
  • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
  • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
  • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
  • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
  • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….
  • What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
  • What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
  • What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
  • What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.
 
Interesting Tim. Kind of a chicken or egg kind of thing. Was it the mental health condition or the medication exacerbating the condition? Who knows, but there might be something to it. I can tell you that if my kid have a condition I would hold off on medicating them as long as I could and use it as a last resort.
 
I know anytime i go out somewhere like the movies, concert, mall, etc etc i try to scan as many people as i cam along with looking for exits/ cover. It is sad times when you have to worry about that stuff.

Yes it is. But the reactions to this have been laughable. Going on strike until legislation is passed? Yeah....THAT'S effective. While situational awareness is a good thing, these knee jerk reactions don't do anything except cause more hysteria.
 
I've harped on this before. Sad that it's not getting MSM coverage, because I'm convinced this is the problem, or a serious large part of the problem. School shootings really became a problem in the late 1990s. Columbine was in 1999.

The first recorded use of a firearm was in 1364. 654 years ago. Automatic weapons came about in 1892 - 126 years ago. Yet school shootings are a 20 year recent phenomenon. Coincidentally the phenomenon of physicians over-prescribing psychotropic drugs is about 20 years old.


Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.

The following is a list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions.

  • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
  • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
  • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
  • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
  • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
  • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
  • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
  • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
  • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
  • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
  • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
  • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
  • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
  • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
  • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
  • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
  • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
  • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
  • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
  • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
  • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
  • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
  • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
  • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
  • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
  • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
  • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
  • (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)
  • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.
  • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
  • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
  • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
  • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
  • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
  • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
  • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
  • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
  • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
  • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….
  • What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
  • What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
  • What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
  • What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Anti-depressants don't kill people.

Doctors over prescribing pharmaceutical products kill people.


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Anti-depressants don't kill people.

Doctors over prescribing pharmaceutical products kill people.


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No they don't, but these psychotropic drugs mess people up. Lead many of them to suicide or violent acts. Read up on the literature about the weaning process for those that try to go off of these drugs. IIRC, it's like a 2 week highly volatile dangerous period when a person is weaned off of them. Many of these shooters were in that two week window.
 
No they don't, but these psychotropic drugs mess people up. Lead many of them to suicide or violent acts. Read up on the literature about the weaning process for those that try to go off of these drugs. IIRC, it's like a 2 week highly volatile dangerous period when a person is weaned off of them. Many of these shooters were in that two week window.
The proximate cause for these people having issues weaning off drugs is having been on them. As prescribed by a doctor.

Are you suggesting that doctors do not over prescribe anti-depressants, anti-anxiety or pain medication?

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The proximate cause for these people having issues weaning off drugs is having been on them. As prescribed by a doctor.

Are you suggesting that doctors do not over prescribe anti-depressants, anti-anxiety or pain medication?

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No, I am saying they do over prescribe them. They give them to too many who don't need them, keep people on them longer than they should be, and give too much to most.
 
No, I am saying they do over prescribe them. They give them to too many who don't need them, keep people on them longer than they should be, and give too much to most.
How many shootings, murders, etc from either kids/ adults using some form of cannabis?

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