Tomlin WISHES Runs Were Called In The Red Zone.

[JJ_Steel]

Of course he wishes they had run the ball. Because the pass plays didnt work. Just like anything else when looked backed upon in hindsight. You wish you had done something different if it didnt work. Tomlin lets his coordinators do their job. He doesnt micro manage. Who wants a boss constantly telling you your job. In hindsight he saying they wish they had run the ball. Cause the pass plays didnt work.

Again doing something would actually take coaching. 6 passes from inside the 5 yard and of course no intervention from our brilliant head coach he is useless on game days but hey he lets his coordinators have a free hand results be damned. Since he is awful at gameplanning, can't make in game adjustments or coach, is a horrible motivator as his teams play down to their opponents, is an awful talent evaluator and developer of said talent, what exactly does he do ?

 

[Vader]

Of course he wishes they had run the ball. Because the pass plays didnt work. Just like anything else when looked backed upon in hindsight. You wish you had done something different if it didnt work. Tomlin lets his coordinators do their job. He doesnt micro manage. Who wants a boss constantly telling you your job. In hindsight he saying they wish they had run the ball. Cause the pass plays didnt work.

Not sure about that. He said himself that he called the run/pass option play against TB. He is standing right by Haley on the sideline. So he is "obviously" doing more than allowing his OC to do his job. He is making some of the calls.. obviously.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Not sure about that. He said himself that he called the run/pass option play against TB. He is standing right by Haley on the sideline. So he is "obviously" doing more than allowing his OC to do his job. He is making some of the calls.. obviously.

Obviosly that was a different situation. Sort of similar too going for it on 4th down. Or running a fake punt. Or late game situations.Those instances the head coach is consulted. He has input. Totally different then red zone plays called during the mist of the game. He let O-coordinator call the plays. Of course he could of stepped in at anytime. But most coaches dont unless its a situation like i described above.

 

[Vader]

Obviosly that was a different situation. Sort of similar too going for it on 4th down. Or running a fake punt. Or late game situations.Those instances the head coach is consulted. He has input. Totally different then red zone plays called during the mist of the game. He let O-coordinator call the plays. Of course he could of stepped in at anytime. But most coaches dont unless its a situation like i described above.

And you know this how? I've seen him talking to Haley in the middle of the game. HC's aren't generally "consulted", they tell coordinators what they want. If Tomlin wants to run a play at a critical or non-critical time he isn't going to wait for Haley to consult him. He's standing right there and he'll give his input. If Tomlin didn't like all the passing (which he never said he didn't agree with it) he would have stepped in. Obviously, he was ok with it because if you listen to his PC and the players talking, they felt the Jax secondary was the weak spot. So that was the game plan... which was put together by Tomlin and Haley.

 

[Wingman]

I guess we have the camp that says Tomlin can do no wrong and the Tomlin can do no right camp. It looks like the guy is not growing into the job more and more as time goes by. The first round pick Jones was out and it looks like the defense is a bit better. Now it looks like he is not even doing a good job in his press conferences but that will be someone else's fault surely.

 

[antdrewjosh]

And you know this how? I've seen him talking to Haley in the middle of the game. HC's aren't generally "consulted", they tell coordinators what they want. If Tomlin wants to run a play at a critical or non-critical time he isn't going to wait for Haley to consult him. He's standing right there and he'll give his input. If Tomlin didn't like all the passing (which he never said he didn't agree with it) he would have stepped in. Obviously, he was ok with it because if you listen to his PC and the players talking, they felt the Jax secondary was the weak spot. So that was the game plan... which was put together by Tomlin and Haley.

Where did I say he wasnt ok with it? He was fine with it. I only said in hindsight is he questioning the plays because they didnt work. Like any other person does when they look back on something that didnt work out well. You say i should of did this..

Like I said most coaches let their coordinators coach otherwise most wouldnt be able to find any body willing to work with them.

 

[oicu8ad]

What I ******* hate (and I mean HATE) is the empty backfield set. Hello defense, don't worry about a run on this play. Go all out in pass protection. If you have the back in the backfield, at least they have to account for the run.

 

[AggieSteel]

What I ******* hate (and I mean HATE) is the empty backfield set. Hello defense, don't worry about a run on this play. Go all out in pass protection. If you have the back in the backfield, at least they have to account for the run.

Is your screen name supposed be saying "Oh, I see you ate a dick" ?

 

[Vader]

Where did I say he wasnt ok with it? He was fine with it. I only said in hindsight is he questioning the plays because they didnt work. Like any other person does when they look back on something that didnt work out well. You say i should of did this..

Like I said most coaches let their coordinators coach otherwise most wouldnt be able to find any body willing to work with them.

My misunderstanding. I'm sure he let's his coordinators coach but he does have a lot of input especially during the week when planning what he wants done.

 

[antdrewjosh]

My misunderstanding. I'm sure he let's his coordinators coach but he does have a lot of input especially during the week when planning what he wants done.

Yeah apparently they liked the matchups in the secondary better then going against the front seven. So gameplanned it that way.

 

[Vader]

Yeah apparently they liked the matchups in the secondary better then going against the front seven. So gameplanned it that way.

Yup. They were probably right but it's weird when you are running at a 5.5 YPC clip for them not to even think about it in the RZ.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Believe me I was screaming run the ball just because I think Bell has been arguably the best player on the field.

 

[ark steel]

What I ******* hate (and I mean HATE) is the empty backfield set. Hello defense, don't worry about a run on this play. Go all out in pass protection. If you have the back in the backfield, at least they have to account for the run.

That has irked me for years, almost as much as the 10 yard cushion our CB's give. Especially, now where they would really have to respect the RB back there. I'd love to see a backfield of Bell and Blount lined up next to Ben in the shotgun.

 

[JJ_Steel]

Yeah apparently they liked the matchups in the secondary better then going against the front seven. So gameplanned it that way.

So they decided that running against the 31st ranked run defense was bad policy, got it.

 

[FAB802]

So they decided that running against the 31st ranked run defense was bad policy, got it.

Bruce Arians scoffs at using stats/trends to help assemble a game plan.

 

[steelerscotty]

Haley: "Alright. First and goal from the three yard line. Should we dial up a run play?"

Tomlin: "No. That's just what they'd expect us to do..."

And here is what Tomlin/Haley will probably come up with:

Haley: "Lets use Archer instead of Bell or Blount, they will NEVER expect us to run it!"
Tomlin: "Good idea-run circus midget sweep right."

 

[Drink IRON City]

Bruce Arians scoffs at using stats/trends to help assemble a game plan.

He use to scoff at my one armed **** flinging monkey business, till he figured out they was right more than him. He figured they was calling opponents plays they thought we'd run, then did the opposite. MADE a ton of $$$coin$$$ off that guy.......



Salute the nation

 

[steelerscotty]

I would never go 5 wide inside the 20. Bell is our best, multiple-threat player. I would have him in the backfield 100% of the time in the redzone. I wouldnt have a problem motioning him out from there but at least have the threat of a run. Inside the 5 i would go big, with power running plays and use the Blount-Force-Object. Establish a running threat (Bell or Blount) in the redzone and then you can create passing mismatches off of it. This 5 wide in the rezone crap does nothing but help the defense by allowing them to drop extra players back to help in coverage. They rush 4 because they know Ben is no threat to run and their pass defenders have an advantage with a shorter field to over that has clogged passing lanes.

 

[Vader]

Believe me I was screaming run the ball just because I think Bell has been arguably the best player on the field.

It's hard to throw in the end zone when there is no threat of a run. I think they took the "Their secondary sucks" a bit too far. Just not enough room to throw when you can drop 8 into coverage and the Steelers don't have a big physical WR.

 

[antdrewjosh]

It's hard to throw in the end zone when there is no threat of a run. I think they took the "Their secondary sucks" a bit too far. Just not enough room to throw when you can drop 8 into coverage and the Steelers don't have a big physical WR.

I have no problem with that. Like i said i think Bell has been the most impressive offensive player. Give him the ball.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Pretty good article by Dejan Kovacevic on his site. He questions (as do many of us) the "sideways" nature of this offense and why it doesn't produce points. Valid points he brought up include:

1. Ben "ranks seventh in yards at 1,365, fourth in completion percentage at 68.9, has seven TDs against two picks, and his advanced QB rating currently has him trailing only Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and Philip Rivers"
2. AB is third in catches (34), yards (511) and TDs (9) and second in plays of 20 yards or more (9).
3. Bell is second among RBs in rushing yards (460) and receiving yards (228) and first in yards per carry (5.4 avg).
4. Heath is sixth among TEs with 24 catches and 10th in yards with 243.
5. Yet, the Steelers rank below average in offensive pts/game (18th with 22.8), 18th in offensive touchdowns (12) and 26th in redzone efficiency (43.8% - only 10 teams are lower than 50%).
6. When they actually DO go vertical, Ben ranks #1 in terms of completion rate on passes that travel 20 or more yards (11-19, 2 TDs, 0 INT).
7. The 19 attempts on passes traveling 20 yards or more ranks 13th. And it's not as if the line has not been giving him time as they are ranked 6th in pass protection (12th in run blocking).

I don't know what to make of it other than that for some reason, they continually refuse to run the offense to its strengths (running the ball and a vertical passing game) and stubbornly stick to those bubble screens, etc.

http://dkonpittsburghsports.com/2014/10/08/column-steelers-never-learned-opening-lesson/

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I would never go 5 wide inside the 20. Bell is our best, multiple-threat player. I would have him in the backfield 100% of the time in the redzone. I wouldnt have a problem motioning him out from there but at least have the threat of a run. Inside the 5 i would go big, with power running plays and use the Blount-Force-Object. Establish a running threat (Bell or Blount) in the redzone and then you can create passing mismatches off of it. This 5 wide in the rezone crap does nothing but help the defense by allowing them to drop extra players back to help in coverage. They rush 4 because they know Ben is no threat to run and their pass defenders have an advantage with a shorter field to over that has clogged passing lanes.

Basically the same problem they had when The Bruce was OC. They insist on passing in the red zone where the defense doesn't have as much ground to cover. Hard to stretch the field from the 12 yard line.

 

[Steeltime]

And here is what Tomlin/Haley will probably come up with:

Haley: "Lets use Archer instead of Bell or Blount, they will NEVER expect us to run it!"
Tomlin: "Good idea-run circus midget sweep right."

You say that like it's a bad thing.

"3rd and goal for the Steelers. OH, MY, NOBODY SAW THIS COMING ..."

 

[Southern Burgh]

Perhaps Southern English is still a bit "different" than the rest of the country/world that chooses to use that language,
but if he said what you quoted above, then he was saying he was aware.

PEACE

-BLEEDS

Thanks cupcake. In the south, we call that a typo. He said he was unaware of the stat. Aside from the grammatical error, it was correctly reiterated at the end of statement to reinforce the point. Down here, they call that reading comprehension.

 

[RollRedRoll]

The biggest reason the Steelers struggle in the red zone is that Ben isn't decisive enough with the football. When you have the ball inside the 10 and everything gets compressed, recievers flash open for fractions of seconds... and that's when the ball should be hitting them in the chest/hands. It's much harder to get separation when a reciever doesn't have a lot of field to work with obviously. Ben unfortunately likes to see a man open before he throws it, but if the guy is open and the ball is still in his hands, he's waited too long. It seems like every TD pass we do get down it that area is by the skin of their teeth. Rarely do you see a Steelers reciever catch a touchdown pass without a defender draped all over him. The seemingly easy pitch & catch TD passes I see other teams complete with regularity are a rarity in a Steeler game... unless of course it's the other team completing it.