Lets talk Defensive scheme....answer a question?

[Nasty95Resilient86]

I understand we are not getting to the QB and pressure is lacking from our front 7. But answer this with a thought out answer.


How do you get pressure home with your front 7 when there is 1-2 receivers constantly wide open 5-7 yards from the line of scrimmage? Watch the film. Every time the Steelers send a blitz from the front 7, the QB always has an out. All he does is simply dump it to whomever is wide open in the flat, which deflates the pressure right away. This isn't anything new. This is a Dick Lebeau scheme that consistently fails when we need it the most. Watch the tape. I am not a Dick Lebeau basher. Dude is a legend. But this type of philosophy on defense has been played out and the ENTIRE league knows how to beat the vaunted Steeler pressure. The Steelers claim its personnel and it takes time to learn the defense....blah blah blah...as a fan it looks to me that every QB no matter who is behind center eats this defense alive. Terrible QBs look great against the Steelers.

So to dumb it down. How do you get pressure to the QB when the QB always has 2-3 wide open receivers within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage? And who is the blame?

 

[JJ_Steel]

I understand we are not getting to the QB and pressure is lacking from our front 7. But answer this with a thought out answer.


How do you get pressure home with your front 7 when there is 1-2 receivers constantly wide open 5-7 yards from the line of scrimmage? Watch the film. Every time the Steelers send a blitz from the front 7, the QB always has an out. All he does is simply dump it to whomever is wide open in the flat, which deflates the pressure right away. This isn't anything new. This is a Dick Lebeau scheme that consistently fails when we need it the most. Watch the tape. I am not a Dick Lebeau basher. Dude is a legend. But this type of philosophy on defense has been played out and the ENTIRE league knows how to beat the vaunted Steeler pressure. The Steelers claim its personnel and it takes time to learn the defense....blah blah blah...as a fan it looks to me that every QB no matter who is behind center eats this defense alive. Terrible QBs look great against the Steelers.

So to dumb it down. How do you get pressure to the QB when the QB always has 2-3 wide open receivers within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage? And who is the blame?

LeBeau built his defensive philosophy of tacking the catch years ago when it was hard for an offense to strng together long drives with short passes. The thinking was eventually the QB would make a mistake ending the drive , etc. However in todays easy passing NFL, even bad QBs complete well over 50% of their passes and will chew up a bend but don't break defense. I hate the passive way our DBs play, not contesting the pass, instead reacting to the catch.

 

[hardcore12]

There's no question it's time for DICKyo step away He's been great but no longer is aggressive. He's been playing a bend don't break D for a few years now... Everytime we run the cross linebacker blitz we do well. DICK runs it once a game now. We send 4 or at the most 5 on 75 percent of the plays. It's just not working

 

[Nasty95Resilient86]

There's no question it's time for DICKyo step away He's been great but no longer is aggressive. He's been playing a bend don't break D for a few years now... Everytime we run the cross linebacker blitz we do well. DICK runs it once a game now. We send 4 or at the most 5 on 75 percent of the plays. It's just not working

agreed....the QB sees it coming and BOOM!....there is a 13 yard pick up on a 4 yard dump off past the linebackers coming on the cross. How does the defensive coaches not see this?

 

[Hines field]

I understand we are not getting to the QB and pressure is lacking from our front 7. But answer this with a thought out answer.


How do you get pressure home with your front 7 when there is 1-2 receivers constantly wide open 5-7 yards from the line of scrimmage? Watch the film. Every time the Steelers send a blitz from the front 7, the QB always has an out. All he does is simply dump it to whomever is wide open in the flat, which deflates the pressure right away. This isn't anything new. This is a Dick Lebeau scheme that consistently fails when we need it the most. Watch the tape. I am not a Dick Lebeau basher. Dude is a legend. But this type of philosophy on defense has been played out and the ENTIRE league knows how to beat the vaunted Steeler pressure. The Steelers claim its personnel and it takes time to learn the defense....blah blah blah...as a fan it looks to me that every QB no matter who is behind center eats this defense alive. Terrible QBs look great against the Steelers.

So to dumb it down. How do you get pressure to the QB when the QB always has 2-3 wide open receivers within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage? And who is the blame?

Basically the league caught up to the Brady offense of quick short passes. It is the norm now for most offensives. It is a steeler defens scheme killer. 7 yard cushions with our d works against qbs that need time to figure out a scheme like. Newton (injured Newton). Anyone else and they pick us apart

 

[Steeltime]

Blitzes should come with press coverage.

Unfortunately, since the Steelers don't have CB's that can play press coverage for ****, they simply cannot use press coverage with their blitzes. They just can't. If they tried, then Benjamin, or Evans, or whoever would be running free for a possible TD.

And as others have noted, the Lebeau theory is "make them drive 80 yards in 10 plays, and they make a mistake."

That is why most Steelers defensive stops are in fact the product of penalties or errant passes. Tipped passes? Interceptions? Nope.

 

[Franco's Beard]

You have to be a Tom Brady type QB to defeat the zone blitz when you have great talent playing it. There are very few Tom Brady's out there.

And don't buy into the only because they were cheating nonsense that will be posted after this, it's because Brady can get the ball out very quickly and accurately. Belichick tailored that O-line and WR's specifically for that purpose with the running game being an after thought.

You would have to have great LB's D'lineman and 2 shutdown corners to stop it, and who has ever been able to afford that?

 

[Vader]

LeBeau built his defensive philosophy of tacking the catch years ago when it was hard for an offense to strng together long drives with short passes. The thinking was eventually the QB would make a mistake ending the drive , etc. However in todays easy passing NFL, even bad QBs complete well over 50% of their passes and will chew up a bend but don't break defense. I hate the passive way our DBs play, not contesting the pass, instead reacting to the catch.

Sorry but I don't buy it. The Steelers defense was #1 in yards just 2 years ago. They were also #6 in points scored that year. Before that they were #1 in points and yards for several years. The rules haven't changed much at all in the past 2 years. What's changed is that they have drafted 4-3 type players that don't fit the system. Now they can't get to the QB and can't cover anyone. Hell Tombert has such disdain for CBs that they'd rather draft a midget part time KR than take a chance on a starting CB.

 

[Vader]

You have to be a Tom Brady type QB to defeat the zone blitz when you have great talent playing it. There are very few Tom Brady's out there.

And don't buy into the only because they were cheating nonsense that will be posted after this, it's because Brady can get the ball out very quickly and accurately. Belichick tailored that O-line and WR's specifically for that purpose with the running game being an after thought.

You would have to have great LB's D'lineman and 2 shutdown corners to stop it, and who has ever been able to afford that?

It looks like the Giants, rats and Denver have had no problem stopping it the past few years. They haven't won a SB in a decade.

 

[JJ_Steel]

We were not a great defense even with the #1 ranking a few years ago, went 8-8 and missed the playoffs and lost many late game leads. I agree with you about the drafting of ill fitting players but the league has changed and playing a soft zone behind a blitz doesn't work anymore. All the sophisticated blitzes and coverages are a mirage in the easy pitch and catch 5 yard passes that are open all the time.

 

[Nasty95Resilient86]

Basically the league caught up to the Brady offense of quick short passes. It is the norm now for most offensives. It is a steeler defens scheme killer. 7 yard cushions with our d works against qbs that need time to figure out a scheme like. Newton (injured Newton). Anyone else and they pick us apart

Newton would of ate this up too, but he fell behind on the scoreboard. Plus the Panthers are a vertical passing game. I actually understand why you use the tackle the catch philosophy with a lead, that makes sense. But to ask why pressure can't get home with a rush from the front 7 when there is always a receiver open by 10 yards is beyond me. Its like no one and I am including the Steelers staff ever wants to question Dick Lebeau.

 

[Steeltime]

It looks like the Giants, rats and Denver have had no problem stopping it the past few years. They haven't won a SB in a decade.

And Seattle, and San Francisco, who destroyed Brady.

Those teams have pass rushers and very good CB's. The Steelers have neither.

 

[Franco's Beard]

It looks like the Giants, rats and Denver have had no problem stopping it the past few years. They haven't won a SB in a decade.

I meant when they were rolling a few years ago when Brady was in his prime, they've had way too much turnover since then.

 

[Nasty95Resilient86]

And Seattle, and San Francisco, who destroyed Brady.

Those teams have pass rushers and very good CB's. The Steelers have neither.

Yeah definitely not Cortez Allen.....he looks consistently lost after he gives up plays or commits a penalty. Hell, even when he got the gift interception today, he acted like he was scared to run it back.

 

[Steeltime]

I actually understand why you use the tackle the catch philosophy with a lead, that makes sense. But to ask why pressure can't get home with a rush from the front 7 when there is always a receiver open by 10 yards is beyond me.

Because they DON'T TRUST THEIR DEFENSIVE BACKS. They don't.

Did you see Arizona against San Francisco on Monday Night Football? Arizona blitzed every play, and their CB's challenged the WR's with press coverage every time. Why? Because they have Patrick Peterson and Antonio Cromartie. Those guys abused the Niners receivers. Arizona sent the house against Kaepernick, and the press coverage gave him no easy completions.

 

[Vader]

We were not a great defense even with the #1 ranking a few years ago, went 8-8 and missed the playoffs and lost many late game leads. I agree with you about the drafting of ill fitting players but the league has changed and playing a soft zone behind a blitz doesn't work anymore. All the sophisticated blitzes and coverages are a mirage in the easy pitch and catch 5 yard passes that are open all the time.

Dallas is playing a soft zone with a blitzing defense tonight and beating N.O. 24-0. It's all about the players and drafting them to fit what you do. All teams play a certain amount of zone. The idea that the Steelers are the only team to play a soft zone is comical.

 

[SteelVictory]

They need to adapt to the new rules, obviously. Which means also adapting their coverage techniques.
But I also believe the defensive coaches know what they are working with (not very good) and are trying to do the best with a bad situation.
Unfortunately this was yet another year in which everything had to go perfectly for the defense in order for them to be even an average defense.
With all the injuries already it seems like that's not going to happen.

Sorry but I don't buy it. The Steelers defense was #1 in yards just 2 years ago

I think though that was a bit of a misleading stat.
IIRC that year the special teams was terrible giving up long returns and the offense was committing a lot of turnovers, so the Steelers defense was defending a short field frequently.
All those short fields skewed the stats, the Steelers defense gave up less yards because the opposing offense had less possible yards to gain.
Hence that #1 rating in yards against.

 

[Vader]

I meant when they were rolling a few years ago when Brady was in his prime, they've had way too much turnover since then.

They never won a SB with a better offense than they had a defense. Out of their 3 SB wins only once were they even in the top 5 of scoring offenses. They won by playing defense and having a good but not great offense. When they went to the "Brady is god" offense the defense wasn't as good and they haven't won a SB since.

 

[Nasty95Resilient86]

Because they DON'T TRUST THEIR DEFENSIVE BACKS. They don't.

Did you see Arizona against San Francisco on Monday Night Football? Arizona blitzed every play, and their CB's challenged the WR's with press coverage every time. Why? Because they have Patrick Peterson and Antonio Cromartie. Those guys abused the Niners receivers. Arizona sent the house against Kaepernick, and the press coverage gave him no easy completions.

I agree with you here, but how do we know how good or bad these corners are in press if they never try it on the field? If what your saying is gonna remain true then we can continue to brace ourselves with more of these types of losses.

What is the point to even blitz the front 7 if you are going to play soft zone behind it? If they can't trust their corners then we should quit sending anyone and try to make the QB pass with accuracy. Thats only if we can stop the run.

 

[hardcore12]

Sorry I'm not seeing that. Dallas CB are not more than 5 off ball. Actually 2 of three are pressing with one 5 yards off ball on just Bout every play. Except for 3 rd n long

 

[Vader]

I think though that was a bit of a misleading stat.
IIRC that year the special teams was terrible giving up long returns and the offense was committing a lot of turnovers, so the Steelers defense was defending a short field frequently.
All those short fields skewed the stats, the Steelers defense gave up less yards because the opposing offense had less possible yards to gain.
Hence that #1 rating in yards against.

Then show me the stats. IF that were true then they should be giving up more points since the offense's had shorter distances to go. But the fact is that isn't true. They were #1 in scoring AND yards. So regardless of the short field they didn't let people score OR move the ball.

 

[Vader]

Sorry I'm not seeing that. Dallas CB are not more than 5 off ball. Actually 2 of three are pressing with one 5 yards off ball on just Bout every play. Except for 3 rd n long

Again, they change it like every team does. But 50% of the time they are in zone coverage. I'm watching it right now. The last play where Brees threw at the guys feet was a zone.

 

[Steeltime]

Dallas is playing a soft zone with a blitzing defense tonight and beating N.O.

Dallas is playing zone, but with defenders pressing the short routes. That is why their LB'er, #54, has batted down 2 passes himself in the 1st half - 2 more than the entire Steelers defense did in the game against a ****** Tampa QB. Dallas defenders batted down 3-4 balls in the 1st half.

A team does not do that with "soft" coverage.

 

[Superman]

anyone remember the CB blitz?

 

[Steeltime]

I agree with you here, but how do we know how good or bad these corners are in press if they never try it on the field? If what your saying is gonna remain true then we can continue to brace ourselves with more of these types of losses.

It is, and you should.

We all remember the 2010 ***-kicking of the Patsies at Heinz. Remember how the Steelers defensive backs pressed the Patsy receivers the entire game, and Brady looked like he was going to cry?

So that worked so well, the next time they played, last year, the Steelers played 7 yards off the receivers. That brilliant scheme held the Patsies to a mere 55 points and 610 yards.

Hey, if it ain't broke (broke being defined as giving up more than 60 points and 700 yards in one ******* game), why fix it?