Penn Ban Lifted

[SteelerInLebanon]

http://espn.go.com/college-football...drops-postseason-ban-penn-state-nittany-lions

Might be a bone thrown to the big ten after last weekend.

 

[hamster]

Joe will not get his wins back.

 

[FordFairLane]

Joe will not get his wins back.

It was never about the wins for JoPa so that doesn't matter. I think the PLAYERS should get their wins back since they played in those games and deserve them.

 

[CoolieMan]

like the way they sneak this in on a day no one will notice

 

[Stryker]

Joe should lose 100 wins for each boy he molested. What? He didn't touch any boys? He told young men to work hard and study or you won't play for him? He helped change boys into men by having them be accountable for their education?

This is a small step for aiding the healing of a rabid fan base who loves their football saturdays.

 

[CoolieMan]

too bad Joe didn't hold himself to those same high ideals......

do we really need to have this discussion again?

 

[DBS1970]

Joe should lose 100 wins for each boy he molested. What? He didn't touch any boys? He told young men to work hard and study or you won't play for him? He helped change boys into men by having them be accountable for their education?

This is a small step for aiding the healing of a rabid fan base who loves their football saturdays.

Nah Joe Pa wasn't a kid toucher, he just covered up for his friend who he knew was a kid toucher. Im still at a loss as to how nobody at Penn State who knew about this and didn't report it long before it became public was not criminally prosecuted as an accessory after the fact, conspiracy or concealing a felony.

 

[Idioteque]

Joe should lose 100 wins for each boy he molested. What? He didn't touch any boys?

Charles Manson never killed anybody, either.

He told young men to work hard and study or you won't play for him? He helped change boys into men by having them be accountable for their education?

Yeah, that's his entire resume.

This is a small step for aiding the healing of a rabid fan base who loves their football saturdays.

It's good that we keep the important parties in perspective here.

 

[hamster]

The damage has already been done to the PSU football program. It will take years for it to recover. Headsof those involved have rolled, guilty people in prison for life, why penalize kids at PSU that had nothing to do with it.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

like the way they sneak this in on a day no one will notice

It's a coincidence. I knew this would happen since last week. Former senator George Mitchell is the appointed "overseer" of the PSU sanctions and this reduction is based on his recommendation in his annual report on psu governance which was due out today. He recommended the removal of sanctions because PSU had cleaned house of all involved and they put in place many new policies to handle reports of sex crimes. These are policies that other schools will likely copy.

The biggest problem in all of this is that there was no cover up. PSU policies were followed. The correct people at the University, including the head of campus police were notified. The problem is the people who made the decision not to pursue it further were not qualified to investigate this sort of crime. Since the trial of the athletic director and head of police has been delayed, to this day, it is still unknown exactly what they did or did not do.

What the scandal did was shine a light on the fact that pretty much every college was susceptible to this type of bureaucratic inaction with sex crimes. Most schools had policies very similar to what psu had in place. Look at how FSU completely mishandled the Jameis Winston accusations.

I think the pending Paterno lawsuit also motivated the NCAA to drop the sanctions. The NCAA has tried to have it thrown out multiple times but judges have upheld it and it's moving forward. The NCAA did not have the power to sanction PSU because no sports rules were broken. This was a straight criminal matter. The only way the sanctions were possible is that PSU signed a consent decree basically agreeing to the punishment. In effect, psu agreed to punish themselves.

This all happened quickly and behind closed doors. The Paternos main goal is discovery to read the emails going back and forth between the NCAA, PSU, and Louis Freeh who did the investigation that sanctions were based upon. The NCAA does not want that made public and they don't want a judge officially ruling that they did not have the power to punish PSU for non sports crimes.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Measure your penalty before you impose it. If there is a time off for good behavior clause announce it when you hand it out. This looks like junk. It seems like they got no more than USC in some respects. That was recruitment violations. This is about people protecting themselves and the university instead of kids.

 

[insaniti]

Charles Manson never killed anybody, either.

no comparison

 

[Idioteque]

no comparison

No, just pointing out that one doesn't have to pull the trigger, swing the axe, or touch the child to be culpable in the crime. One can sit idly by and do nothing and be guilty.

 

[steelermania]

I better head over to the Pitt board. I know they have to be in a frenzy over there.

 

[madinsomniac]

Look, the message was served and virtually everyone from that era is purged. there was no real reason to continue with the severe punishments. the precedent is out there.

 

[diver]

It's a coincidence. I knew this would happen since last week. Former senator George Mitchell is the appointed "overseer" of the PSU sanctions and this reduction is based on his recommendation in his annual report on psu governance which was due out today. He recommended the removal of sanctions because PSU had cleaned house of all involved and they put in place many new policies to handle reports of sex crimes. These are policies that other schools will likely copy.

The biggest problem in all of this is that there was no cover up. PSU policies were followed. The correct people at the University, including the head of campus police were notified. The problem is the people who made the decision not to pursue it further were not qualified to investigate this sort of crime. Since the trial of the athletic director and head of police has been delayed, to this day, it is still unknown exactly what they did or did not do.

What the scandal did was shine a light on the fact that pretty much every college was susceptible to this type of bureaucratic inaction with sex crimes. Most schools had policies very similar to what psu had in place. Look at how FSU completely mishandled the Jameis Winston accusations.

I think the pending Paterno lawsuit also motivated the NCAA to drop the sanctions. The NCAA has tried to have it thrown out multiple times but judges have upheld it and it's moving forward. The NCAA did not have the power to sanction PSU because no sports rules were broken. This was a straight criminal matter. The only way the sanctions were possible is that PSU signed a consent decree basically agreeing to the punishment. In effect, psu agreed to punish themselves.

This all happened quickly and behind closed doors. The Paternos main goal is discovery to read the emails going back and forth between the NCAA, PSU, and Louis Freeh who did the investigation that sanctions were based upon. The NCAA does not want that made public and they don't want a judge officially ruling that they did not have the power to punish PSU for non sports crimes.

Good post. Especially hat PSU procedures were followed.

I worked fore many years in an alternative school setting. During that time, I had to call report number of possible abuse cases. Once I reported it, and this is key, I was out of the loop. I could not follow up. Even with the new rules, the person doing the reporting can't go off and try to find out more once the report is made. Another key is sometimes the kid would be back in school the next day and nothing happened. Sometimes, the kid would be gone, removed from the home setting. Since you couldn't follow up, you just took it for granted that if the kid was there the next day, it was unfounded. If they were gone, it was founded.

Joe reported it. Legally he couldn't follow up, it wasn't his job or place. I can see how if he saw nothing changing with regards to Sandusky that it was unfounded.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The damage has already been done to the PSU football program. It will take years for it to recover. Headsof those involved have rolled, guilty people in prison for life, why penalize kids at PSU that had nothing to do with it.

That's my take. Jerry is in jail, they forced Joe out, and that should have been enough. Any more and that just punished kids who didn't have anything to do with it. Sandusky retired around 1999 so he could molest little boys full-time.

 

[Sarge]

This punishment was nothing but grandstanding by the NCAA. No need to do any of that stuff. As stated before this was a criminal matter. The only people that suffered under the sanctions were the kids that had nothing to do with any of what went on.

 

[Badcat]

too bad Joe didn't hold himself to those same high ideals......

do we really need to have this discussion again?

Apparently, we do. Ignorant opinions such as yours need to be remedied with factual data. Read Tape's response. It is spot on. Joe Paterno followed the process and alerted the head of campus security concerning the matter. You can ***** and whine that he didn't do more, but no one can say that he was involved in a cover-up. This was a straight railroad job by the NCAA which stepped into a matter that it had no business getting involved in. At no time did Penn State athletics gain a competitive advantage or violate any NCAA policy during this matter. period.

Penn State is now rebuilding and I can see that many of you are going to hate the fact that the school who still wears black shoes, white helmets, and plain jerseys who considers a players name on the back as a major bling bling addition, will soon be a powerhouse once again. I'll bet it just galls you all to hell and I love it.

 

[CoolieMan]

Apparently, we do. Ignorant opinions such as yours need to be remedied with factual data. Read Tape's response. It is spot on. Joe Paterno followed the process and alerted the head of campus security concerning the matter. You can ***** and whine that he didn't do more, but no one can say that he was involved in a cover-up. This was a straight railroad job by the NCAA which stepped into a matter that it had no business getting involved in. At no time did Penn State athletics gain a competitive advantage or violate any NCAA policy during this matter. period.

Penn State is now rebuilding and I can see that many of you are going to hate the fact that the school who still wears black shoes, white helmets, and plain jerseys who considers a players name on the back as a major bling bling addition, will soon be a powerhouse once again. I'll bet it just galls you all to hell and I love it.

so he taught his boys to do the bare minimum? I thought his "ideals" were more than that

it will shock you but most don't give a **** one way or the other about penn st. if they succeed or fall on their faces...I don't really care

 

[hook]

so he taught his boys to do the bare minimum? I thought his "ideals" were more than that

it will shock you but most don't give a **** one way or the other about penn st. if they succeed or fall on their faces...I don't really care

Apparently you care enough to comment about it, though...

 

[diver]

so he taught his boys to do the bare minimum? I thought his "ideals" were more than that

it will shock you but most don't give a **** one way or the other about penn st. if they succeed or fall on their faces...I don't really care

What if the bare minimum as you define it is all you legally can do?

 

[Steel Not A Player]

Good post. Especially hat PSU procedures were followed.

I worked fore many years in an alternative school setting. During that time, I had to call report number of possible abuse cases. Once I reported it, and this is key, I was out of the loop. I could not follow up. Even with the new rules, the person doing the reporting can't go off and try to find out more once the report is made. Another key is sometimes the kid would be back in school the next day and nothing happened. Sometimes, the kid would be gone, removed from the home setting. Since you couldn't follow up, you just took it for granted that if the kid was there the next day, it was unfounded. If they were gone, it was founded.

Joe reported it. Legally he couldn't follow up, it wasn't his job or place. I can see how if he saw nothing changing with regards to Sandusky that it was unfounded.

Rep for being sensible.

 

[CoolieMan]

Apparently you care enough to comment about it, though...

this is not about their success or failure...that is what my comment was in regard to....

diver, when did it become illegal to report a pedophile to the police?

 

[diver]

Coolie, please refer to my earlier post in this thread. There was a procedure to be followed. You were told to follow that procedure, which was to go to your superiors first, not the police. Your superiors handled that aspect.

I not saying is wasn't dumb, but it just was what it was.