Penn Ban Lifted

[Badcat]

so he taught his boys to do the bare minimum? I thought his "ideals" were more than that

it will shock you but most don't give a **** one way or the other about penn st. if they succeed or fall on their faces...I don't really care

Since when is following the process the bare minimum? Like I said, you can ***** and whine that he didn't do more, but the fact remains that Joe Paterno was not involved in a cover-up and he certainly wasn't involved in the assaults.

 

[CoolieMan]

Since when is following the process the bare minimum? Like I said, you can ***** and whine that he didn't do more, but the fact remains that Joe Paterno was not involved in a cover-up and he certainly wasn't involved in the assaults.

following the process is the bare minimum. If you see the process did not respond, you take further steps to make sure the proper authorities are aware of the situation.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Since when is following the process the bare minimum? Like I said, you can ***** and whine that he didn't do more, but the fact remains that Joe Paterno was not involved in a cover-up and he certainly wasn't involved in the assaults.

But the mob with the pitchforks see Paterno as the face of Penn State and should pay the price. Paterno followed the reporting procedures. Any ties to him ends at that point but the mob wants to crumble his legacy. It's like trying to blame parents for a child who murders even if the parents tried counceling or other avenues. People just want to see things burn.

 

[Idioteque]

Paterno indeed followed procedure.

To quote Tony Soprano, "They heard a lot of that at Nuremburg"

Do more. And don't give the guy a goddamned locker room key.

 

[FordFairLane]

Nah Joe Pa wasn't a kid toucher, he just covered up for his friend who he knew was a kid toucher. Im still at a loss as to how nobody at Penn State who knew about this and didn't report it long before it became public was not criminally prosecuted as an accessory after the fact, conspiracy or concealing a felony.

So bringing it to the attention of the athletic director Tim Curley who brought it to the attention of the colleges chief of police Gary Schultz was "covering it up" and when Paterno and McQueary reported it right away to you it means they "didn't report it". Dude don't speak unless you know the facts.

 

[Badcat]

following the process is the bare minimum. If you see the process did not respond, you take further steps to make sure the proper authorities are aware of the situation.

Oh. OK. So if your neighbor tells you that he believes that he saw something but wasn't sure...maybe he heard something... and tells you about it....then you should report it, and then follow up with the Police Department to ensure that they are doing their jobs and seeing it through to the end. Is that your position on the matter? Reporting it isn't enough? you should contact people and ride their ***** (no pun intended) to see it through to the end?

 

[SCSteeler4life]

Oh. OK. So if your neighbor tells you that he believes that he saw something but wasn't sure...maybe he heard something... and tells you about it....then you should report it, and then follow up with the Police Department to ensure that they are doing their jobs and seeing it through to the end. Is that your position on the matter? Reporting it isn't enough? you should contact people and ride their ***** (no pun intended) to see it through to the end?

If it was about ******* little boys, you better follow up.

 

[Badcat]

Paterno indeed followed procedure.

To quote Tony Soprano, "They heard a lot of that at Nuremburg"

Do more. And don't give the guy a goddamned locker room key.

Yeah, I mean why would you let a man that you've known for 30 years, a friend, keep his key to the facility to run a charitable group because someone thinks that he saw or heard something in the shower. right? WHy not let the police sort it out and take action on the guy after there is credible evidence. oh, that's what happened?

yeah. exactly.

How many times have you heard parents and neighbors of these killers describe the person as "He's a quiet guy, a great guy, he was never mean...i dont understand...this isn't like him" Too many people act like the University had known for years that this was going on and let the monster do what he wanted. it's just not true.

 

[str8liner]

Yeah, I mean why would you let a man that you've known for 30 years, a friend, keep his key to the facility to run a charitable group because someone thinks that he saw or heard something in the shower. right? WHy not let the police sort it out and take action on the guy after there is credible evidence. oh, that's what happened?

yeah. exactly.

How many times have you heard parents and neighbors of these killers describe the person as "He's a quiet guy, a great guy, he was never mean...i dont understand...this isn't like him" Too many people act like the University had known for years that this was going on and let the monster do what he wanted. it's just not true.

Don't let facts and common sense get in the way of these guys making up stuff...

Joe was the emperor of PA.....He ran everything.....He could have came out and made accusations about a former coach that at the time would have been unfounded. He could have jumped in his squad car and tailed Jerry around town till he caught him and made an arrest. Or he could have just tracked Jerry down and went full Rambo on his ***....

 

[Badcat]

Don't let facts and common sense get in the way of these guys making up stuff...

Joe was the emperor of PA.....He ran everything.....He could have came out and made accusations about a former coach that at the time would have been unfounded. He could have jumped in his squad car and tailed Jerry around town till he caught him and made an arrest. Or he could have just tracked Jerry down and went full Rambo on his ***....

I know, right? The critics have hindsight on their side and they're making it sound as if they would have done so much more if it were them in Joe's shoes. I wonder what the view is like up there on their high horse.

 

[FordFairLane]

I know, right? The critics have hindsight on their side and they're making it sound as if they would have done so much more if it were them in Joe's shoes. I wonder what the view is like up there on their high horse.

Monday morning quarterbacks. I am not saying in highsight JoPa, McQueary, Curly, Schultz, Spanier, Raykovitz, Heim, Poole ect... should have done more now that we know the facts. I mean if they all could go back in time I bet McQueary wished he'd knocked Sandusky out and took the kid straight to the police. I bet JoPa wishes he would have kept on Curly and Schultz and made sure they followed through and I bet Schultz and Curley wish the same. I bet Sandusky's boss Raykovitz wishes he'd of done more than just speak with board members Heim and Poole. I guess what I am saying is the ball was dropped but in the BIG picture JoPa was a football coach who thought going to his superiors was the right thing to do because they would follow through. But because Paterno is the name everyone knows he gets the burdon the brunt of the attack and his name will likely never be clear to some no matter what the facts are.

 

[Superman]

Oh. OK. So if your neighbor tells you that he believes that he saw something but wasn't sure...maybe he heard something... and tells you about it....then you should report it, and then follow up with the Police Department to ensure that they are doing their jobs and seeing it through to the end. Is that your position on the matter? Reporting it isn't enough? you should contact people and ride their ***** (no pun intended) to see it through to the end?

in your hypothetical, the procedure would be reporting to the HOA and allowing the HOA president to report it to the police.

is that what you would have done?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

That's the thing, on one hand the charges against Sandusky (as far as I recall) came after he "retired" from PSU football. On the other hand you can't tell me that JoPa didn't run all of State College and if he said that Sandusky or anybody else doesn't come around the locker room, then they AREN'T coming around the locker room.

 

[DBS1970]

Coolie, please refer to my earlier post in this thread. There was a procedure to be followed. You were told to follow that procedure, which was to go to your superiors first, not the police. Your superiors handled that aspect.

I not saying is wasn't dumb, but it just was what it was.

Since when can your employer tell you to report a fellony to a supervisor rather than the authorities?

 

[FordFairLane]

Since when can your employer tell you to report a fellony to a supervisor rather than the authorities?

Obviously, you can't read any better than spell. FELONY. Second of all when did Joe Paterno become a legal expert AND have indepth knowledge of what McQueary saw? See, as stated McQueary held back what he saw and more or less generalized it.

 

[diver]

following the process is the bare minimum. If you see the process did not respond, you take further steps to make sure the proper authorities are aware of the situation.

To be fair...when I was running after work tonight I was thinking about PSU and the fact that they can be bowl eligible and all that. It struck me that I forgot something very important in my explanation of how reporting abuse worked, at least in the 90s.

When I reported a possible abuse situation to my superiors, they would then call Childline to report it. This is key... I was present during that call and actually reported what I knew directly to them.

I realize that Joe should have known this. If he did not, that was on him. It was his responsibility. When he reported it, together he and Curley or whoever he reported it to should have called Childline.

Just on that little but important recall, my opinion on Joe may be changing a bit. Sorry, Coolie.

 

[DBS1970]

Obviously, you can't read any better than spell. FELONY. Second of all when did Joe Paterno become a legal expert AND have indepth knowledge of what McQueary saw? See, as stated McQueary held back what he saw and more or less generalized it.

They made Sandusky "retire" early for a reason. The Penn State administration knew Sandusky was a kid toucher and tried to sweep it under the rug. They should have given all the info they had on Sandusky to the police from jump street. That's why the NCAA sanctioned them not for Sanduskys actions but for the cover up. McQueary should have called the police right then and there when he caught Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the shower but that's a different discussion entirely.

I get it. You are a Penn State fan and you are protecting your team but look at things objectively and not through Nittany Lion homer goggles and you will see it differently.

 

[steelermania]

Coolie, please refer to my earlier post in this thread. There was a procedure to be followed. You were told to follow that procedure, which was to go to your superiors first, not the police. Your superiors handled that aspect.

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Joe Paterno didn't have any superiors at Penn St. When they tried to get him to resign several years earlier, he ran them off of his property.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Joe Paterno didn't have any superiors at Penn St. When they tried to get him to resign several years earlier, he ran them off of his property.

How did he get fired then?

he did have superiors, but they were a bunch of wimpy bureaucrats. As you said, they tried to get Paterno to resign. They wanted him out but did not have the balls to fire him so he called their bluff. The fact that Paterno was in fact fired proves he did have superiors.

Paterno was not all powerful. They wanted dt build a baseball stadium in the parking lot of Beaver Stadium. Paterno was against it because it would take away tailgate space. The University told Paterno to shut up. Paterno then tried to go through state government and they told him to get lost too. Now there is a minor league stadium next to Beaver.

when the story broke, Paterno was going to give his normal press conference. He was there, about to speak and the Board canceled the presser and gave Paterno a gag order which he respected until he gave an interview from his death bed.

it's a total myth that Paterno was all powerful. The Board was actively trying to get rid of him for a long time. They were just too scared to do it. Even whenthey did fire him, they didn't have the guts to do it face to face. The board sent a messenger to Paterno's house with a phone number for him to call. He called it and in less than 30 seconds, he was fired by an unknown person. They didn't even want to call Paterno directly because none of the board wanted to be known as the person who fired Paterno. Pathetically weak.

And that's what seems to have created this whole mess, weak leadership, and bureaucratic inaction.

 

[madinsomniac]

Technically, he had superiors, but he had such a backing and reputation among that school that they were probably afraid of him. When this scandal arose he lost much of that backing and they had an opening to remove him.

In any case the point is proven. Keep this **** away from your program at all cost because if you don't a firestorm may engulf everyone. Im fine with them lifting sanctions. it was time.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

They made Sandusky "retire" early for a reason. The Penn State administration knew Sandusky was a kid toucher and tried to sweep it under the rug. They should have given all the info they had on Sandusky to the police from jump street. That's why the NCAA sanctioned them not for Sanduskys actions but for the cover up. McQueary should have called the police right then and there when he caught Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the shower but that's a different discussion entirely.

I get it. You are a Penn State fan and you are protecting your team but look at things objectively and not through Nittany Lion homer goggles and you will see it differently.

The police were informed. If you dial 911 on the PSU campus, you get campus police. If McQueary had called State College police, they would have directed him to call campus police.

people don't understand that when you have a campus as large as PSU, it is considered it's own city. Penn State campus is it's own city, University Park Pa. Per state law, that means they must have a police force. Not rent a cops, but a real police force.

as i mentioned before, per state law, the correct people were informed. McQueary was interviewed by the head of campus police.

This should remove anything sports related from the equation.

The question should have always focused on what did the administrators do, not on what a football coach who had nothing to do with it did.

It is still unknown what exactly was done. The AD, Curley, and head of police, Schultz, have had their trials delayed many times. They did not cover up a crime. They kept all notes of the meetings and turned them over to investigators. That still doesn't mean they didn't do anything wrong. If they did nothing then it means they are negligent.

I know people hear PSU people wanting sanctions overturned and Paterno cleared of wrongdoing and they think it means they want it swept under the rug. That's far from true. It just means that we want the correct people held accountable.

Franco Harris has been very outspoken in trying to find out who actually mess up. He has been thrown out of board meetings for asking questions.

Since the scandal broke, PSU alumni have been very active in removing through elections, all the board members who seem to have had a role in handling the scandal.

Saying Paterno and the football program did nothing wrong is not the same as saying PSU as a whole did nothing wrong. That is still to be determined in the Schultz and Curley trials. This never had anything to do with sports.