Post it here. What are your thoughts on Mason Rudolph being the starter

[Ron Burgundy]

Rudolph is an adequate backup but not a front line starter. Most teams value existing players who "know the system" over someone new who might be better but the Steelers are worse than most in that regard.
If I was betting real money, I'd put it on Rudolph being the starter on opening day 2022.
Ben won 14 games his rookie year but remember he started the season third on the depth chart behind Maddox and Batch.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Tomlin has not shown that he can "develop " a qb. He hasn't yet. In how many years?

In fairness he hasn't had to, but yes. The three QB's he's drafted, Jones, Rudolph, and Dobbs, do not inspire confidence.

This team will be 7-10 for years to come.

Maybe not even that good since the Browns and Bengals got better.

 

[slashsteel]

It will be at least real. If they get someone or worse make a big trade they still won't win and you I'll be back here anyhow. Like I said if they can get 10 wins with Rudolph it's different.

Real eye sore maybe. And just another excuse for them right? Oh we didn't have a franchise QB this is all we could do mindset. I guess I am in the camp of nothing is going to remove that man. So might as well win as much as possible. Would you rather them lose and be stuck with him or win and be stuck with him? I think this is closer to reality.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Real eye sore maybe. And just another excuse for them right? Oh we didn't have a franchise QB this is all we could do mindset. I guess I am in the camp of nothing is going to remove that man. So might as well win as much as possible. Would you rather them lose and be stuck with him or win and be stuck with him? I think this is closer to reality.

Correct, the Rooneys are not going to fire their first Rooney Rule hire. Realistically you don't fire a coach who's never had a losing season but Shades' arrow is clearly pointing down. At best after a few losing seasons they will mutually agree not to extend another contract and Shades will retire. Noll and Cowher both hit their expiration dates around 15 years and that's where Shades is now.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Correct, the Rooneys are not going to fire their first Rooney Rule hire. Realistically you don't fire a coach who's never had a losing season but Shades' arrow is clearly pointing down. At best after a few losing seasons they will mutually agree not to extend another contract and Shades will retire. Noll and Cowher both his their expiration dates around 15 years and that's where Shades is now.

will Shades an up................... ?





Salute the nation

 

[FordFairLane]

I don’t want to change the purpose of this thread but look at Mike McCarthy. He had two down seasons after never winning less than 10 games. And one of those seasons was pretty much without Rodgers. He was fired. The pack are better off and he is better off. Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in 5 years and won’t for at least 6. I think we can safely part ways and not be called racist. Well, minus the certain morons on this forum.

That said I don’t see the Rooney’s letting him go. I could see them letting him ride out his contract and not renewing it. Which in my opinion is worse.

I personally would look at next year as an opportunity to start fresh. New hc coach, new oc, maybe new dc and if that’s the case I’d be way more open to a new QB. I don’t think that happens and feel Tomlin will sink or swim with Rudolph, Haskins, and Vet QB. Steelers brass give him 2022-2024 to right the ship. I don’t have a lot of faith he does. Then in 2025 we have a new black head coach because skin color is the only qualifying determination of coaching ability to Art the Deuce.

 

[TDX27]

I can actually see us going for a Trubisky or Mariota type. They won't cost a ton and will be brought in to compete with Rudolph. They won't be handed the keys to the offense. Plus, we will need a 3rd QB on the roster next year one way or the other and if Haskins is being an idiot like was written about a few weeks or so back, he may not even make the team so we would need 2 more QB's. I think Dobbs will finally be gone or they just keep him on the PS just in case.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I don’t want to change the purpose of this thread but look at Mike McCarthy. He had two down seasons after never winning less than 10 games. And one of those seasons was pretty much without Rodgers. He was fired. The pack are better off and he is better off. Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in 5 years and won’t for at least 6. I think we can safely part ways and not be called racist. Well, minus the certain morons on this forum.

That said I don’t see the Rooney’s letting him go. I could see them letting him ride out his contract and not renewing it. Which in my opinion is worse.

I personally would look at next year as an opportunity to start fresh. New hc coach, new oc, maybe new dc and if that’s the case I’d be way more open to a new QB. I don’t think that happens and feel Tomlin will sink or swim with Rudolph, Haskins, and Vet QB. Steelers brass give him 2022-2024 to right the ship. I don’t have a lot of faith he does. Then in 2025 we have a new black head coach because skin color is the only qualifying determination of coaching ability to Art the Deuce.

Bruh, EVERYTHING is about race with you. It's a damn shame because you bring some good insight to the board and then ruin it with your rants about race. I mean, even the qualifications of the replacement punter were about race. The ******* punter. smh

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Rudolph is an adequate backup but not a front line starter. Most teams value existing players who "know the system" over someone new who might be better but the Steelers are worse than most in that regard.
If I was betting real money, I'd put it on Rudolph being the starter on opening day 2022.
Ben won 14 games his rookie year but remember he started the season third on the depth chart behind Maddox and Batch.

As I recall, Ben had a pretty good supporting cast, Mason won't be so lucky.

 

[MT~Forged]

Then in 2025 we have a new black head coach because skin color is the only qualifying determination of coaching ability to Art the Deuce.

I’m not sure that you can truly go that far, I think that is only your proclivities being expressed.

I do think that the Rooney rule was a good idea, in theory. In application, I know that I would be pissed if my interview was just a condescending check that was required. These affirmative action procedures, I BELIEVE, cause more racial discontent than they solve. Until we as a society, can see that giving EVERYONE an equal chance benefits us all, then we are stuck with AA. I happen to believe that Morgan Freeman is correct, just quit talking about race, period.

Art the Dookie did not **** up by giving Tomlin a chance, he just allowed him to skip steps that are required to be a HC. Tomlin did not have the experience he needed, but Dookie was enamored with changing policy and showing that he could hire a young HC he thought was the real deal. Tomlin needed more time to learn from an experienced HC before moving up. This has proven out to be true. Once he was a HC, who was he going to learn from? Do you think his ego would let him do that? Once it was proven that he didn’t have the experience, they should have moved on. The Rooney Rule got him the chance, he just oversold and under delivered. The real problem is that AR the Dookie just WILL NOT admit his mistake, HIS ego is way to big to put the team over himself.

 

[MT~Forged]

As I recall, Ben had a pretty good supporting cast, Mason won't be so lucky.

Yes, he did. Why is that, because they were not spending top QB money at the time. They had spread around the money to support the team. As Ben’s money went up, the rest of the team’s quality started to decline. This is just a numbers thing, and that is why it is such a hard balancing act.

 

[mdk2]

Nope.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Bruh, EVERYTHING is about race with you. It's a damn shame because you bring some good insight to the board and then ruin it with your rants about race. I mean, even the qualifications of the replacement punter were about race. The ******* punter. smh

Unfortunately that's where we're at now, with celebrations on the first female this, or first gay that, rather than basing a hire on the persons actual qualifications. Everyone should be given a fair shake as long as they're the best fit for the job. I think Coach Tomlin was a good hire at the time, but just like McCarthy and Andy Reid, it might be best for both parties to part ways. And I don't care about the next coach's skin color, gender, or sexual orientation as long as they know how to coach and win football games. After all, isn't that why they should be hired in the first place?

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Unfortunately that's where we're at now, with celebrations on the first female this, or first gay that, rather than basing a hire on the persons actual qualifications. Everyone should be given a fair shake as long as they're the best fit for the job. I think Coach Tomlin was a good hire at the time, but just like McCarthy and Andy Reid, it might be best for both parties to part ways. And I don't care about the next coach's skin color, gender, or sexual orientation as long as they know how to coach and win football games. After all, isn't that why they should be hired in the first place?

1. There's an expiration date on everything. Including coaches. Sometimes if they are in one place too long, the message gets stale. I think it's that time for Tomlin in Pittsburgh. Not that he isn't a good coach. Just that he isn't a good coach HERE right now.
2. Exactly.

 

[SteveA]

Have watched MR play ???

ARE YOU CRAZY ???

HOWDY DOODY as our QB...**** NO

 

[FordFairLane]

Bruh, EVERYTHING is about race with you. It's a damn shame because you bring some good insight to the board and then ruin it with your rants about race. I mean, even the qualifications of the replacement punter were about race. The ******* punter. smh

Again, I didn’t open Pandora’s box. The Rooney rule, hiring Tomlin an under qualified coach, the extensions for mediocrity, have all pointed at a narrative needs to be validated. I, and many here, can see it. We can justify our opinions with facts. If you don’t agree that’s your opinion. But I’m not scared to state mine.

 

[fogdoctor]

If we are trying to tank, yes. I am fine with him starting for 1 year.

I do not want him as a starter for any other reason.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I’m not sure that you can truly go that far, I think that is only your proclivities being expressed.

I do think that the Rooney rule was a good idea, in theory. In application, I know that I would be pissed if my interview was just a condescending check that was required. These affirmative action procedures, I BELIEVE, cause more racial discontent than they solve. Until we as a society, can see that giving EVERYONE an equal chance benefits us all, then we are stuck with AA. I happen to believe that Morgan Freeman is correct, just quit talking about race, period.

Art the Dookie did not **** up by giving Tomlin a chance, he just allowed him to skip steps that are required to be a HC. Tomlin did not have the experience he needed, but Dookie was enamored with changing policy and showing that he could hire a young HC he thought was the real deal. Tomlin needed more time to learn from an experienced HC before moving up. This has proven out to be true. Once he was a HC, who was he going to learn from? Do you think his ego would let him do that? Once it was proven that he didn’t have the experience, they should have moved on. The Rooney Rule got him the chance, he just oversold and under delivered. The real problem is that AR the Dookie just WILL NOT admit his mistake, HIS ego is way to big to put the team over himself.

Tomlin inherited a great team and staff which at one point included three former head coaches. Now that the team and staff are all his except for Jerry Olsavsky and John Mitchell, well, not so much. And Haley was not a Tomlin hire, Tomlin didn't know that The Bruce was gone and Haley was in until he read it in the paper.
In the one Steelers FB group I belong to, any criticism of Tomlin by a white fan (there is no criticism from black fans) is met with charges of racism. There's racism alright but the people accusing others need to look in the mirror. Tomlin is the greatest coach of all time and any deficiencies are the fault of the white QB, the white coordinators, or the white GM and the team would be unbeatable if only they'd put in (insert name of black backup QB) or sign Colin Kaepernick and if you disagree you're a racist.
It bothers me that so many people believe that the only reason a white person could possibly have for criticizing a black person is racism.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Again, I didn’t open Pandora’s box. The Rooney rule, hiring Tomlin an under qualified coach, the extensions for mediocrity, have all pointed at a narrative needs to be validated. I, and many here, can see it. We can justify our opinions with facts. If you don’t agree that’s your opinion. But I’m not scared to state mine.

Supposedly he is a DB coaching specialist but in his one year as the Vikings' DC he had the unusual distinction of running league's #1 run defense and the #32 pass defense (dead last).

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Again, I didn’t open Pandora’s box. The Rooney rule, hiring Tomlin an under qualified coach, the extensions for mediocrity, have all pointed at a narrative needs to be validated. I, and many here, can see it. We can justify our opinions with facts. If you don’t agree that’s your opinion. But I’m not scared to state mine.

OH, everybody here knows you're not afraid to state your opinion. Over and over and over again.
Tomlin being under qualified when hired is an opinion, not a fact. The statements about the Rooney Rule are opinion, not fact. The idea that the Steelers will hire a black coach after Tomlin is gone because of some need to adhere to the Rooney Rule is an opinion, not fact.
My opinion, bordering on fact, is that you are preoccupied with race about everything that has to do with the Steelers. This is evidenced by your need to bring up the topic in EVERY thread you respond to (that last part is fact).

 

[slashsteel]

Again, I didn’t open Pandora’s box. The Rooney rule, hiring Tomlin an under qualified coach, the extensions for mediocrity, have all pointed at a narrative needs to be validated. I, and many here, can see it. We can justify our opinions with facts. If you don’t agree that’s your opinion. But I’m not scared to state mine.

But the thing is your opinion isn't fact. Keep in mind I want a replacement as I continue to make clear. But the guy is what close to being the second winningest coach? Won a SB, been to two. I think his hiring was justified. Needing a change doesn't change that. Mediocre can come any any color. Not sure why you think in your mind the situation is race based. The results out of the gate wasn't horrible. Which puts a monkey wrench in your way of thinking IMO.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The results out of the gate wasn't horrible. Which puts a monkey wrench in your way of thinking IMO.

Yes but that was with a team he inherited. 22 players (mostly starters) from the 2005 SB team were still on the 2008 SB team and 17 were still on the 2010 SB team along with almost the entire coaching staff. As the team has become more and more Tomlin's, they have gotten worse and worse. I don't see how this is arguable. Has nothing to do with race.
I fully expect them to finish 8-8-1. Tomlin finds a way to go .500 in a 17 game season. Genius, pure genius.
Remember I picked 9-8 so I didn't miss by much.

 

[FordFairLane]

OH, everybody here knows you're not afraid to state your opinion. Over and over and over again.
Tomlin being under qualified when hired is an opinion, not a fact. The statements about the Rooney Rule are opinion, not fact. The idea that the Steelers will hire a black coach after Tomlin is gone because of some need to adhere to the Rooney Rule is an opinion, not fact.
My opinion, bordering on fact, is that you are preoccupied with race about everything that has to do with the Steelers. This is evidenced by your need to bring up the topic in EVERY thread you respond to (that last part is fact).

Tomlin had one year as a defensive coordinator where he was dead last in pass defense. Considering he was a DB coach that should have been a red flag. And the fact we had two coordinators on staff who had been groomed to be head coaches that we passed on is another fact to support my opinion that Tomlin was a narrative hire and NOT the best option.

Hey, your opinion is once Tomlin is out we won’t hire another black head coach. I think they have proven they will give an emphasis on promoting their narrative. I could very well be wrong. And if they don’t I will be first surprised and second admit I was wrong. But proof is in the pudding. Guess one day we will see who is right.

But the thing is your opinion isn't fact. Keep in mind I want a replacement as I continue to make clear. But the guy is what close to being the second winningest coach? Won a SB, been to two. I think his hiring was justified. Needing a change doesn't change that. Mediocre can come any any color. Not sure why you think in your mind the situation is race based. The results out of the gate wasn't horrible. Which puts a monkey wrench in your way of thinking IMO.

My opinion is supported by facts dumbass. Learn to read.
Here’s a fact. He took over a Cowher team just removed from winning a super bowl with a hall of fame QB. And his entire career has been with a hall of fame QB. So no monkey wrench. As Cowher’s team got older and Roethlisberger had less to work with the team has gotten worse.

Maybe he puts a great team together now and we win multiple super bowls. I’d be the first to admit I was wrong. But if he blows the next three years will you admit I might be right?

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Tomlin had one year as a defensive coordinator where he was dead last in pass defense. Considering he was a DB coach that should have been a red flag. And the fact we had two coordinators on staff who had been groomed to be head coaches that we passed on is another fact to support my opinion that Tomlin was a narrative hire and NOT the best option.

Hey, your opinion is once Tomlin is out we won’t hire another black head coach. I think they have proven they will give an emphasis on promoting their narrative. I could very well be wrong. And if they don’t I will be first surprised and second admit I was wrong. But proof is in the pudding. Guess one day we will see who is right.

ws the next three years will you admit I might be right?

1. Actually, Lebeau and Whiz were the coordinators when Tomlin was hired. Lebeau had already had a shot at being a HC. It did not go well for him. Whisenhunt withdrew his name from consideration to be the Steelers HC once it became apparent he would not be just handed the HC job. He did enjoy two stints as an NFL HC. His record as a HC is 48-71. Yeah, he was definitely a better choice.

2. No, my opinion is that once Tomlin is gone, I don't care what color the HC is. I wouldn't want them to hire a black coach that sucks just because he's black. And, I wouldn't want them to hire a white coach that sucks just because he's white. Hire whomever they think is the best option and let's roll with it.

 

[Litos]

[/QUOTE]

Tomlin had one year as a defensive coordinator where he was dead last in pass defense. Considering he was a DB coach that should have been a red flag. And the fact we had two coordinators on staff who had been groomed to be head coaches that we passed on is another fact to support my opinion that Tomlin was a narrative hire and NOT the best option.

Hey, your opinion is once Tomlin is out we won’t hire another black head coach. I think they have proven they will give an emphasis on promoting their narrative. I could very well be wrong. And if they don’t I will be first surprised and second admit I was wrong. But proof is in the pudding. Guess one day we will see who is right.

My opinion is supported by facts dumbass. Learn to read.
Here’s a fact. He took over a Cowher team just removed from winning a super bowl with a hall of fame QB. And his entire career has been with a hall of fame QB. So no monkey wrench. As Cowher’s team got older and Roethlisberger had less to work with the team has gotten worse.

Maybe he puts a great team together now and we win multiple super bowls. I’d be the first to admit I was wrong. But if he blows the next three years will you admit I might be right?

Is there a need to start the insults? Especially between good posters and not trolls?